Are you against animal abuse?


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Knux64echidna

4:36pm Jun 15 2010

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It's bad enough that people abuse animals, but they put dogs in fights on purpose for what, money?  I say it's just as bad if not worse.



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Lolbot

5:18pm Jun 15 2010

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If you really think about it, they also put humans in to fight against each other, just for money.

But having said that, I'm against Dog fights and Cock fights. Especially Cock fights, I do not like the idea of the knives strapped to thir ankles. No use complaining about it though, as its illegal, the government has joined in. 

So yeah, really we should be saying that we are glad that they have gone down alot. Y'know, live in the moment and all that.

Anywho, I have quite an arguement to strike with the previous post you made,

"Animals only attack us because they're hungry, protecting something, scared or lost their mind to rabies."

Uh, no. I'm sorry, but I did a great deal of Ethelogy in my time (The study of animal behaviour.)

There are alot of reasons for a animal to attack somebody. Snakes kill up to 5o,ooo people a year worldwide and precious few are eaten. Canids and Felines are known both in ancient culltures worldwide and in modern day society for mauling people to death. The basic thing is > Animals run on instincts. 

Herbavores have instincts to eat plants. Predators have instincts to kill, not only for food, but to kill. Humans are omnivores, and we kill for fun. So do animals, we aren't the 'Big bad wolf' of the animal world; we are just like other animals, instinct wise.

Let's give an example, quite a recent one. Candice Berger, a primary school teacher in Alaska was jogging through a path and was attacked and mauled to death by a pack of wolves. She had done nothing to provoke the wolves, they ran on instincts and killed her. They had not 'lost their minds', they were doing as predators do, kill. This should serve as an eye-opener.





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kitten0822

5:11am Jun 17 2010

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That is true..but the animals,like the herbivores such as rabbits mainly have the insinct to flee so in their case they probably would be protecting something or have rabies.I still wanna have a snail race though.




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chance437

8:26pm Jun 17 2010

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Even though things like dog and cock fights are illegal, they unfortunately are still done all over the U.S. country. These people have become very cunning, setting underground stadiums and such.

Having said that, I cannot find another reason why anyone would want to abuse animals. A lot of dogs now have very bad reputations due to dog fighting, and pit bulls are even illegal in some states. Often enough, the rescued dogs are so vicious that they are unfortunately euthanized due to the sad fact that they are unadoptable. On another note, the dogs sometimes, unfortunately, have to fight to the death. These people feel no remorse, the only guilt they feel is the fact that they lost, or that they're best dog was injured/killed. Losing dogs or dogs that are not deemed fit often face death by strangulation, drowning, hanging, electrocution, arms, or any other "Creative" methods.

Now, onto cock fights. Cock fights are another underground illegal act. These fights are often very bloody, as these cruel people outfit their roosters with knives and blade that can slice through frozen cans and pineapples clean through. Another act of cruelty is that, in order to install these knives onto the roosters, one of their talons,( I can't find a better word), is cut off. These fights are dangerous and often end with a rooster losing an eye.

The irony of these fights is that the fighting animals are loved and kept in top conditions, the roosters until they're two years, old enough to fight, and the dogs, until deemed fit.

 

Shows you how F-ed up some humans are. 




Ping

8:30pm Jun 17 2010 (last edited on 8:36pm Jun 17 2010)

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If you think humans are evil beings, then you are an evil being. Simple.

Sometime people label humans as evil creatures that don't care about other animals. They of course forget what animal they are. Humans are animals, animals kill other animals it's completely normal. Humans kill humans, humans kill chickens, humans kill dogs. We eat dogs and chickens, we kill them anyway. So killing a chicken in a fight is hardly different from killing it to eat. Mind you, in cock fights, the chickens kill each other; so they're the murderers. Roosters fight all the time, dogs fight all the time. It's normal.

However, the gambling involved is a different story.




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lakendrashley1234321

9:54pm Jun 17 2010

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I find it disgusting how people can abuse animals for fun or even just on purpose. I kill these big centipede things (hundreds of legs really long) that get on my walls but it is hard. I only do it because I cant pick up an insect without squishing it. Anyway I get it if people accidentally step on a dogs tail but when they deliberately hit them or throw them I kinda wanna say... Something I shouldn't say here.
Daisy98

11:44pm Jun 17 2010

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We are all murderers. You may not have murderd a big animal, but what about that fly you smacked the other day? Or that spider you dissected..... Or that Wasp that was just trying to get out. Even if not on purpose, everyone and everything is and are murderers.



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Ping

1:09am Jun 18 2010

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If you eat you kill. You eat a chicken, you kill a chicken. You eat a plant, you kill a plant.



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Lolbot

11:55am Jun 18 2010

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THANK YOU, PING. o_o

Some people are so caught up in their furry wonderlands they forget that they are the humans murdering the animals.

I suppose you are right, Daisy98, but I never counted the killing of bugs as murder. Most animals, take a good look at your dog if you have one, will kill a fly not for food, but because they annoy them. Or walk all over my their jam sandwich.>:c Also. I do have a fear of mosquitos, so, even if I have no idea what gender they are (Only female mosquitos suck blood, to help in the forming of their eggs) I will squash them. Also, as Ping said, we all kill in what we eat. 

Its a natural instinct to kill, and everybody will kill in their lifetime. Simple as.





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Daisy98

3:52pm Jun 18 2010 (last edited on 3:54pm Jun 18 2010)

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Lolbot: Still, No matter what we are, if we are vegetarian or just eat meat, we all kill something at least once in our lives. Wether it's for food, for fun (Which is sick and cruel), Or if it's an annoying fly that ate your sandwhich. Most people kill for good. They kill to survive, for food. They put down animals that are in so much pain it's not worht it. Killing animals is not always evil.



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chance437

6:37pm Jun 18 2010

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Ping, totally not the point. A Human killing a chicken if for food. A Human killing a dog is for food. A Human setting up a fight between two animals is for entertainment and money. The point is, if an animal kills another animal without a human interference, it's nature. For a Human to encourage this, to grin and laugh while the animals are brutally hurt, is disgusting. I said some Humans, not all.



kitten0822

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:) exactly chance.




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Ping

8:25pm Jun 18 2010

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Cock and dog fights are already illegal everywhere. There is absolutely nothing we can do now as citizens. We already have more powerful forces against these underground dealings. What is discussing about how 'horrid' human beings are is going to help? All I've seen in this conversation was the same lines 'I know some humans can be horrid', 'some people have no sympathy'. This has really gone nowhere. And if someone who does practice these things reads this, they probably won't listen to you. They already know it's bad (since it's outlawed by the government) so how is this going to help?

If you were to see someone training roosters and dogs for fight, what would you do? You are certainly not powerful enough to do anything. We already have police on that. 

By the way, orcas kill for fun. Often they grab penguins and seals and fling them around everywhere, mutilating their bodies and never eat them in the end. It's common practice for them. Why are you not complaining about orcas and their cruel sport then?




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chance437

11:34am Jun 19 2010

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Ping, but an orca grabbing a penguin or a seal to kill for fun is, like I said, nature. Humans had nothing to do with that. If I was to see someone training roosters or dogs to fight, I'd call the authorities. Plain and simple. And although it's illegal, it is still practiced. 



Knux64echidna

9:42pm Jul 13 2010

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I guess killing an animal for food is one thing... but... I feel strongly about killing them for sport.  It's actually sad.



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